tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279084458609548591.post4597906431450668915..comments2023-06-20T07:33:02.405-07:00Comments on Wrath is Eternal: Hollow's EveSlothhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17061953419764582432noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279084458609548591.post-87442419178056620152013-10-18T09:10:52.286-07:002013-10-18T09:10:52.286-07:00I like how you say 'No, only one was a cause....<i>I like how you say <b>'No, only one was a cause.' </b> when I said <b>'...but only one did it.' </b> as if I had said something that implied that I believed anything different.<br /><br />Both WOULD be contingent. But the scenario dictates that I flipped the lights as the power went out. In this case, me flipping the lights and the power going out are not contingent but I still believe they are because I can't see the power going out. And while there is a contingent cause, that doesn't take away from the cause and effect of turning the lights off and the lights going off being non-contingent in this particular case.<br /><br />So while the lights going off may not be on its own wholly separate and non-contingent, it is in regards to my attempt to turn the lights off. Much like you believing the slender man is attacking and appearing because 'random non-contingent principles' because you can't see the cause.<br /><br />Our reality is scoped to our perception and what we perceive is so narrow that after 10,000 years we are just starting to pick up on the hints that there is more in play than we ever realized happening less than a foot from in front of our faces.<br /><br />So yes. I believe in flexibility in cause in effect. The extent of this, is what we perceive to be the cause did not necessarily cause the effect. But something did. Something always does. To believe anything else, is lazy.</i>Fracturehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09571668689781226280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279084458609548591.post-91778444394611998552013-10-18T08:47:53.761-07:002013-10-18T08:47:53.761-07:00No, only one was a cause. The other was a potentia...No, only one was a cause. The other was a potential cause, but not a cause, and in both cases, they would be contingent. The light switch going off relies on you switching it off. The power going out relies on a snag in the power lines or something to that effect (which would have been caused by something.)Sannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11038151288823396682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279084458609548591.post-63724386811524048372013-10-18T00:50:39.748-07:002013-10-18T00:50:39.748-07:00Two different causes turning the lifts off at the ...<i>Two different causes turning the lifts off at the same time but only one did it.</i>Fracturehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09571668689781226280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279084458609548591.post-18259302570785108092013-10-16T10:06:32.541-07:002013-10-16T10:06:32.541-07:00Incidentally, the power going out and you turning ...Incidentally, the power going out and you turning the light off, is contingent, caused.Sannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11038151288823396682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279084458609548591.post-73087821533310767212013-10-16T00:18:28.352-07:002013-10-16T00:18:28.352-07:00You using it as an example has implications.<i>You using it as an example has implications.</i>Fracturehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09571668689781226280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279084458609548591.post-33132447112754959892013-10-15T22:49:40.781-07:002013-10-15T22:49:40.781-07:00Where did I say it had no cause?
It certainly has...Where did I say it had no cause?<br /><br />It certainly has effects. Anyone could tell you that.<br /><br />Incidentally, the power going out and you turning the light off, is contingent, caused.Sannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11038151288823396682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279084458609548591.post-40898875433824459252013-10-15T19:56:50.890-07:002013-10-15T19:56:50.890-07:00Ha. I scoffed at the word extreme but I'm pret...<i>Ha. I scoffed at the word extreme but I'm pretty desensitized to that. Watching it happen was the staple to my work work at one point. Life use to be so simple.<br /><br />I like that you assume that has no cause or effect.</i> Fracturehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09571668689781226280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279084458609548591.post-14921131171285686122013-10-14T12:45:33.160-07:002013-10-14T12:45:33.160-07:00That's nothing sir. I've seen the extreme ...That's nothing sir. I've seen the extreme circumstance where I'm walking around, minding my own business, when a horribly thin, pale, emaciated faceless man with appendages and some indiscernible force giving me a skullfuck headache like no other grabbed me by the ankle and hauled me around.Sannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11038151288823396682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279084458609548591.post-80946927610264261812013-10-14T07:44:50.688-07:002013-10-14T07:44:50.688-07:00I've see the extreme circumstance where I turn...<i>I've see the extreme circumstance where I turn the lights off at just the same moment that the power went out.</i>Fracturehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09571668689781226280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279084458609548591.post-2884416032769089102013-10-14T03:12:02.899-07:002013-10-14T03:12:02.899-07:00So you admit that not all do?So you admit that not all do?Sannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11038151288823396682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279084458609548591.post-8577393397214282572013-10-13T23:35:04.356-07:002013-10-13T23:35:04.356-07:00So few things are truly independent. Most things e...<i>So few things are truly independent. Most things echo.</i>Fracturehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09571668689781226280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279084458609548591.post-81820189841645712232013-10-13T23:24:48.846-07:002013-10-13T23:24:48.846-07:00Not contingent; independent of one another.Not contingent; independent of one another.Sannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11038151288823396682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279084458609548591.post-40274903557919964562013-10-13T22:55:26.289-07:002013-10-13T22:55:26.289-07:00Depends on how you're defining separate.<i>Depends on how you're defining separate</i>.Fracturehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09571668689781226280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279084458609548591.post-63831626778651437522013-10-12T20:56:31.439-07:002013-10-12T20:56:31.439-07:00Would you agree that the relationship between caus...Would you agree that the relationship between cause and effect has flexibility, perhaps can even be separate at times?Sannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11038151288823396682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279084458609548591.post-52972877136952361852013-10-12T19:31:32.891-07:002013-10-12T19:31:32.891-07:00And then that swan bats him in the leg and he drow...And then that swan bats him in the leg and he drowns in the lake.<br /><br />Swan are beautiful, but bastards.<br /><br />I might assume that such electrons that 'randomly' appear and disappear have some cause and effect on each other. There is nothing stating that one appears or disappears that another isn't appearing or disappearing else where.<br /><br />Even then, I know of a place that 'doesn't exist' with a nasty habit of taking random things in and spewing random things out.<br /><br />Just because its gone, doesn't mean it didn't go somewhere.Fracturehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09571668689781226280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279084458609548591.post-74229015209301972302013-10-12T09:32:56.448-07:002013-10-12T09:32:56.448-07:00Oh, of course. Right. Well. If something can come ...Oh, of course. Right. Well. If something can come in and out of existence e.g. some electrons, that is to say, out of spacetime (composed of the four dimensions the transitive laws of conservation would presumably deal with) then on a quantum level, it's not necessarily a universal law.<br /><br />Essentially: an old man lives all his life by a lake full of white swans. One day he goes outside and is amazed to see a single beautiful black swan.Sannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11038151288823396682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279084458609548591.post-37748082438095759572013-10-12T07:31:16.228-07:002013-10-12T07:31:16.228-07:00"To be uselessly and pettily argumentative......"To be uselessly and pettily argumentative..."Fracturehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09571668689781226280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279084458609548591.post-52369331854569953772013-10-12T02:28:31.971-07:002013-10-12T02:28:31.971-07:00Were we arguing about something?Were we arguing about something?Sannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11038151288823396682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279084458609548591.post-63286140868064001552013-10-11T23:34:38.489-07:002013-10-11T23:34:38.489-07:00Would you mind honing those arguments down to a po...<i>Would you mind honing those arguments down to a point?</i>Fracturehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09571668689781226280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279084458609548591.post-76381536438254251822013-10-11T12:38:17.922-07:002013-10-11T12:38:17.922-07:00To be uselessly and pettily argumentative... not u...To be uselessly and pettily argumentative... not universally.<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_particle<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_superposition<br /><br />The thing I miss most about school is physics. Thank you for giving me cause to bring it up.Sannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11038151288823396682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279084458609548591.post-79188255286857467732013-10-11T02:33:14.978-07:002013-10-11T02:33:14.978-07:00Transitive Laws of conservation my dear.
What lea...<i>Transitive Laws of conservation my dear.<br /><br />What leaves one place, must go somewhere else.</i>Fracturehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09571668689781226280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279084458609548591.post-64740697290890988832013-10-09T13:42:19.060-07:002013-10-09T13:42:19.060-07:00All Hallow's Eve... whence the whites of eyes ...All Hallow's Eve... whence the whites of eyes widen with the moon and the tracks of man devolve into that of wolves.Sannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11038151288823396682noreply@blogger.com